The recent trip taken by Donald Trump to meet Enrique Peña Nieto proved to me that Donald Trump’s political rhetoric are just words to get elected. Before I delve into this, let me be clear once again, the Democrats have been worse for immigrants than the Republicans, and thus immigrants will fare no better under Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. That is the underlining truth behind the immigration debate, neither Clinton nor Trump will make any difference when it comes to immigration reform.
That is the sad reality that many Donald Trump supporters have not understood. Donald Trump will not build a wall on the US-Mexico border. Donald Trump will not deport 11 million immigrants. Nothing will change for the undocumented immigrants in the United States under a Trump presidency.
Let me explain.
Donald Trump met with Mexico’s president in order to create the illusion that he can be presidential. Trump’s meeting with Peña Nieto illustrated that Donald Trump will say whatever words are needed at that moment. On the day that Donald Trump met with the Mexican president, Trump was deferential towards Mexico, Peña Nieto and Mexicans. Trump called Mexico and Mexicans “wonderful”. When pressed about the payment of the wall, Trump said they did not discuss the payments for it, although it is his signature platform for dealing with the immigration problem.
Later that night, Donald Trump told the audience in Arizona, that Mexico would pay for the wall, although Mexicans “didn’t know it yet.”
As with all political rhetoric, two versions of what was discussed have emerged. What is important to note is that Trump’s signature issue, the wall and its payment, was left for a discussion “for later.”
I realize that many of the Donald Trump supporters will not accept that the two versions of who will pay for the wall discussion just demonstrates duplicity by Trump.
Regardless, Trump supporters love to point out to me that Donald Trump is a businessman and not a politician – the two reasons why many support him for president. Yet, therein lies the duplicity.
As a businessman, Donald Trump clearly understands that disrupting the economies between Mexico and the United States would be detrimental to both countries, including the United States. US consumers will simply not allow higher prices and the disruption of trade goods from Mexico.
It would lead to another economic catastrophe like the oil embargoes of the late 1970’s, except that this time it would not be oil, but rather an extensive list of goods that US consumers are used to seeing on the shelves during their shopping sprees.
To believe that Mexico would sit by idly while Donald Trump imposes fees or tariffs to pay for the wall, or stops remittances into Mexico is like believing in the tooth fairy. Mexico has the wherewithal to fight a trade war with the United States. It would be painful for both countries to be sure, but that is the nature of a trade war.
As for Donald Trump not being a politician and the notion that somehow he will disrupt the status-quo in Washington, the fact remains that Trump has been acting like a politician throughout his presidential campaign. Look carefully at how his immigration platform continues to develop, from a draconian expulsion of 11 million people to a much calmer “we will target the criminals” from day one. Trump is evolving his immigration rhetoric depending on his audience and as the campaign gets closer to election day.
That is what politicians do.
Right about now, many of you are thinking that I’m just a Hillary Clinton stooge but the reality is that Clinton will do no more for immigrants than what Obama has already done, which is make things worse. Obama has deported more immigrants than any other president. Clinton will likely keep the status-quo regardless of her political rhetoric to get elected. This is because one of the largest bases for the Democrats is the unions, which do not want the immigrant labor to compete with them nor to put pressure on wages.
To put it in in simplest form, it does not matter whether Donald Trump wins or loses in November, for immigrants the status quo will remain as always.
It should be noted that Hillary stated that she does not support a wall, but a fence is needed. Reminds one of “depends what is, is”.
I wouldn’t doubt that the conversation between the two is very different from what both said for public consumption. Old politic bs trick for the masses.
The one that is very misleading is when “open border proponents” say closing the border will adversely affect trade. Really ? I always thought that legitimate trade cross thru legitimate ports of entry. Everyone else cross illegally thru illegal points for purposes of illegal activity.
Elections are about choices. Those candidates are the only two viable options this election and given that choice Trump has my vote. And the thing to remember about trade was that what started the flood of manufacturing to China was that China offered five year tax holidays for businesses that put factories there and then the devalued the currency 30-40% to eliminate the logistics cost. Businesses were tripping over themselves to move production over there. If Trump puts the right tax policies in place, there won’t be a trade war. Just a lot of empty factories in Mexico. That is particularly true of f electronic products since most are outsourced to contract manufacturers and can move quickly to a new CM. And if we start enforcing our immigration laws, actually use our systems to verify identities and cut off all services to those in this country illegally, a lot of folks will self-deport. The thing I like about Trump is that as a businessman he understands just how that system works and where the pressure points are.
Your vote doesn’t count; it’s always been rigged. Head down to DC and ask around.
Deporting 10 million people would result in the country being turned into a police state with checkpoints everywhere. Not the America I want to live in. But there is still the justice issue that they broke our laws and are here illegally. What should DJT do about it? My Four Point Plan to restore America back to Americans is as follows:
1. Immediately, deport illegals who are serving time for crimes. There are thousands and this will save bundles of money. Also, have them bio-scanned and set up bio-scanning equipment at every border crossing so they can never return.
2. Build the wall. It will work and it will not affect legal movement of people and goods at
authorized border crossings (with bio-scan equipment), only the illegal movement across our borders, mainly in the deserts. Without the wall, so-called immigration reform means nothing. Bye bye cartels, too. Buy stock in whoever makes methadone.
3. For those remaining, apply the 14th amendment in its original interpretation which was to protect the newly-freed slaves in the South from being denied citizenship and not to grant citizenship to any litter dropped on our doorstep. So, only births to parents legally here (or where one is a citizen) creates a new citizen. This will de-legitimate the so-called “anchor babies” and eliminate a huge incentive for illegal immigration here. Bye bye, Dream Act.
4. For the remaining illegals, if they can prove they have worked here and paid taxes, give them a path to quick citizenship after they pay a fine for their transgression, say $5,000. The rest scan and deport.
“…would result in the country being turned into a police state with checkpoints everywhere.”
I’ll bet you’re not so-called “African-American”, because, if you were, you’d probably know that the AA’s have already lived, and in some ways still do, in a police state in their own neighborhoods. Go ahead and google what I just wrote. That said, what in the world are you referring to when you talk about a “police state”, as compared to what the AA’s have gone through between the 1920’s and 1970’s?
I’m talking about now, not Jim Crow. If you think you had it bad, talk to an Indian.
Solutions suggested would have to be grandfathered lest injustice be done. Never mind how or why they are here. The problem with grandfathering is the timing or we would have a stampede to beat a deadline.
Checkpoints would not work without violating constitutional rights. That would create an outrage unheard of. Dont forget would a check point legalize profiling or would it be accepted that white or wealthy neighborhoods are exempt. A national ID card ? We can’t even get past ID for voting. Perhaps, a check during a detention or arrest for unrelated crimes would be the best time to check status. Who knows maybe that would reduce crime. Not suggesting that uninvited people are the cause of crime. A review of status when applying for benefits or interaction with government agencies could be another method.
We can’t undo previous injustices but we can learn and take strong measures to prevent them. How likely is that ? I don’t know, but I do know that there is still a lot injustice done to various ethic groups. We can educate people but you can’t force a change in mindset. That’s a problem that many exploit in favor of injustice and in the “name” of Justice.
Back to the orginal point of the topic, it’s all political rhetoric for public consumption. The President is called an sob and refuses to meet with the Philippine President in public. So they meet in private, then pretend to be so upset that they sit far apart during the G20 summit.
“…we would have a stampede to beat a deadline.”
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We already have one with Cubans crowding in to take advantage of the Cold War incentives for them to bail from Fidels’ Paradise in the Carib. They get a better deal than the alluhu fuctard refugees from Syria.
Mexico Builds Its Own Wall
https://www.ft.com/content/c316294a-7915-11e6-97ae-647294649b28