Veronica Escobar’s Letter About Greg Allen Was Political

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  1. El Paso Lawyer says:

    Mr. Paredes, you are confusing a few details that are important to understand because the error in your thesis forces the reader to draw an incorrect conclusion.

    Your argument that because one elected official released a text message that the other didn’t and therefore shows a disagreement of what is and is not releasable is incorrect.

    Text messages between elected officials in and of themselves are not releasable unless they relate to official business. Two elected officials speaking doesn’t inherently make their conversation public business. If two elected officials are at a UTEP basketball game and exchange text messages about the game, its not public business. Open Meetings and Open Records are not meant to curtail conversations between individual members of government and are not always accessible to the public.

    As I understand the situation based on news coverage, Escobar and other leaders were writing the letter as a clearly political statement. Use of their titles does not necessarily constitute that it is therefore business in their official capacity.

    Look at all the leaders that went to both the Democratic and Republican conventions. They all used their titles. But their speeches, many on this very topic, were political and not official business.

    The reason that Ordaz released a text message that Escobar didn’t is actually quite simple. For Escobar et al, the letter was political in nature and public resources spent on a political endeavor is prohibited.

    For Ordaz, the text message constituted official business because she is a representative at the municipal level, which is the level in which Chief Allen serves. The Chief answers to the City Manager and the City Manager answers to council. So for Ordaz, this was a text message about her action or lack of action in her official capacity as a city representative. Therefore it constitutes official business. It would not be official business for a county official because the chief doesn’t work for the County of El Paso.

    Just wanted to clarify that issue for you and your readers.

    • Anita says:

      Your argument is stupid. I doubt that you are a lawyer, but if you are. you are obviously incompetent. I wouldn’t want you defending me if I needed one.

  2. Ali Enrique Razavi says:

    EPL,

    If you ask Escobar if anything she does is political she will say, “No, I only act in the community’s best interest!”

    So is the community’s best interest official business?

    Or maybe the self-righteous isn’t so self-righteous when convenient, which is kinda the point of this exercise.

    Love,

    Me

  3. Barbara says:

    Sounds familiar. Hillary is the only one who can determine whether or not her emails were private or work related. She decided which were work-related and which were personal after that the FBI had to hunt and seek and then found thousands more that were work related that she refused to turn over. Im not ssying the FBI should get involved. Im just stating that even officials at the highest level refuse to turn over their emails and we the people who pay their salary whether we like it or not have to live with it. Amazing how everywhere you go people object to these elected officials yet come reelection time they stand there taking their own. They’re just not enough people interested in our community to change circumstances because they don’t get involved in what is happening in our community.

  4. Epfd 10 year Firefighter says:

    Thanks for clarifying El Paso lawyer. It still doesn’t change the fact she used her personal cell phone to contact other elected officials and rallying them to sign the document. That to me is subject to open records. I saw coverage of the issue on the news . I also sat in on chief Allens city hall meeting. I think it was wrong of Escobar to call for consequences but thats just my opinion, now the way she did it and is now trying to cover her tracks up on how she got the signatures and what devices she used is what I have the problem with. She just ended her political career with that one. I am a firefighter for the city and let me tell you and everyone reading we collectively have the police chiefs back. We will all be there on voting day to make sure she won’t be elected in any political capacity anymore. Expect the same numbers that won our previous election by a land slide. Sick of these politicians who think they are above the law.

  5. abandon hope says:

    She used her position to promote her personal agenda. And she involved others who likewise push their personal agendas using their elected office as a platform. However the attorneys and government statutes decide to sort this out, the end result is the same in this case because the letter was made public. This grandstanding by Escobar, Byrd, O’Rourke and their cronies backfired. They all should be booted out of office but most El Pasoans don’t vote and those who do have short memories.

  6. Vendetta says:

    EPL,

    Can the shinaningans of Vero and her band of misfits be investigated under RICO?

  7. Thomas says:

    Martin
    We wanted to wait before we posted anything on Martin’s last article but here is something that every one should think of and highlights how messed up County officials are. Our County Attorney Bernal was one of the signers of the letter against Allen with Vero but she failed ethically not in recusing her self and her office from make a decision on this open records request and should have forward this to the Texas Attorney General’s Office for review and an a opinion. Just because of her participation in this issue she should have remained silence and recuse herself and her office. This is not the first time Bernal as shown a ethical lapse of judgement. Then again the majority in El Paso approve of this behavior from their elected and appointed officials.
    Martin file for an review and opinion from the Texas Attorney General’s Office. Make Vero and Bernal at least show the Texas Attorney General’s office what they with held. You may not win but you send a notice that their are some of us out here watching and will hold them accountable for their action when we think it needs to be done.

  8. Thomas says:

    Martin
    Also if you can get copies of Vero interviews with local media on the letter she does come off as appearing to be acting in officials capacity as County Judge in her communicate in this letter to officials of the city of El Paso. You need to forward these with you r request of review to the Texas Attorney General’s Office. None of the interview we saw did we hear Vero say once she was acting as nothing more than a private citizen. Vero’s act was to come off as the head of El Paso county government questioning city government about Chief Allen’s statement. From the interview we saw a person with common sense wouldn’t take it any other way.

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