The Immigration Debate and Following the Law Argument

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  1. No simple solution ! says:

    Martin, the law is the law regardless of the host or country of orgin. The system is broken because people on both sides of the border pick and choose what laws will be respected.

    Can’t fix the system until the uninvited people are stopped. We see it in Europe, open borders now have fences. The system was overwhelmed and broke. The vast majority of nations require a passport and a visa(permission) to cross their borders. It’s a system designed to control the flow and know who’s in their country.

    What irks many citizens is that the laws of the U.S. are ignored and on arrival protested. I sneak into your home and then protest your rules? The economy is in bad condition, unable to help or sustain its citizens/residents. Now uninvited guests arrive and are immediately recieptients of social programs. These programs aren’t free and taxes are high. The criticism of the recieptients is not limited to uninvited guests, it’s also directed at citizens.

    The solutions Martin and others offer become the old argument of which comes first, chicken or the egg. That’s where the discussion gets stuck. However, there has to be a serious and very frank discussion about the issue. One solution for other countries start caring for their citizens and that would go a long way in reducing immigration. Keep in mind there will be always someone that wants live elsewhere.

  2. Anglocentric says:

    When a foreign national marries a US citizen, citizenship is not automatically conveyed. That individual has to go through a process as well. My father’s second wife was Korean. It took over 10 years for her to complete the process, in part because they moved to Florida after Dad’s tour in Korea right before the Mariel boat lift. The Cuban refugees and Castro’s prison inmate group were given priority over her application process. Legitimate marriages aren’t gaming the system. I agree the system needs to be fixed, but we first need to address the issue of illegal aliens who have gamed the system. Softening the terms doesn’t change the issue. These folks feel they have the right to pick and choose what laws they obey and until we crackdown more and more will test the system. Obama’s attempt at extending amnesty has encouraged even more to break our laws even though they wouldn’t be eligible. I admire your willingness to not treat our oath of citizenship as just words, particularly since Mexico is encouraging its citizens to finish the US citizenship process, recross into Mexico using their Mexican passport and re-establish their Mexican citizenship as dual nationals. The reason so many of us are frustrated by folks that lecture us as xenophobic is that we are being asked to agree to things no other country in the world agrees to (including Mexico).

  3. Jerry K says:

    We should reinstate national quotas to avoid immigrants whose origins indicate they might do us harm, like muslims. Also, we could identify the skills and education we need to further filter immigration in our national favor.

    • Anglocentric says:

      And, Jerry, it is worth noting that most other developed countries are regulating the influx of unskilled immigrants to minimize the burden they place on social systems. Many have asset/net worth requirements for immigrants. Those with “free healthcare” also deny immigration applications of those with chronic health issues, again for the protection of their citizens since overburdening their healthcare system with immigrants with health issues would impact quality of care and raise taxes.

      • JerryK says:

        Anglo;

        Unfortunately, acting in your own national interest is now vilified as being oppressive and racist and unwelcoming to people who have vowed to kill us. There is no accounting for the insanity of cultural marxism that infects the thinking of the Obamian Left.

        In Europe muslim immigration is national suicide and is provoking a resurgence in ethnic pride because if you are French or German or Swede, you are that in your person; it is your identity. What I love about America is that we are Americans first, in spite of the racist rhetoric of the La Raza faction or theocratic idiocy of muslims and the christian right. Anyone who comes here and embraces that will do well, like most Cubans and Mexicans have done.

        Of course, on university campuses now, to assert Americanism is considered a micro-aggression because it denigrates those whose identify as victims, like that gal who ran for Dist 2. Really, there are only three places left in the world where marxism has any credibility: North Korea; China; and American university campuses.

  4. Anglocentric says:

    Very well said.

  5. Thomas says:

    Martin
    The system is broken but our elected officials in the U.S. want to keep it that way no matter what they say in the media sound bites. Nope can’t tell one group that goes by the process and waits their turn, for some a couple of decades, to come to the U.S. and allow those that do not follow the laws and process it’s OK. No right and no reasoned way to justify it. Yep the word illegal fits those who cheat the system process.
    In no way Martin are we saying the system doesn’t needs major fixing but it is not going to happen not matter who gets elected. Money is being made off the illegal populations on both sides of the border and and Martin the power of greed isn’t going to allow change. Yep when all the bull shit is scraped away it’s all about the Benjamins, who are getting the benefits. Not saying it’s right but it the truth.

  6. Jerry K says:

    There is a very human side of this issue that transcends politics and that is the plight of those now arriving here, e.g. the Cubans in El Paso. They are being housed and processed at the Houchens Community Center on Tays in Segundo Barrio that is making the best of a difficult siutation.

    There is a desperate need for personal care goods as the Cubans have arrived here with little more than the clothes on their backs. Especially tampons, soap, shampoo, razors, toothpaste and toothbrushes, towels, paper plates and utensils, and clothing. If you can put together a care package and drop it off there you will have done your good deed for the week. I did and it feels great😊

  7. meee says:

    I did it backwards. I am a US citizen who later got Mexican citizenship. I had to declare nothing.

  8. Jerry K says:

    They’ve arrived just in time to use any bathroom they want, too. I’ll bet they can’t get away with that in Cuba.

  9. Barbara says:

    Martin made my point about those coming legally verses those coming illegally. If one makes a deliberate, conscious decision to come and assimilate, they follow the law despite the process being long and arduous. Those entering legally have no desire to live in the shadows but rather choose to live open and free with the Ability to prosper and make a better living for themselves and their family. Martin did not come to “take” but to “give” back to a country that has afforded him the opportunity to establish a small company, prosper and take pride in being here legally. He’s successful and is prospering in the U.S.A. He’s one of the million who come to the U.S.A. every year legally. That the process is broken isn’t an excuse to break the law! Trump has put this issue up front and in our face. Now we can deal with it or continue to complain. I don’t hear the Dems wanting to do anything serious on this issue except preach the status quo.

  10. Thomas says:

    Barbara
    Sorry to bust your delusional bubble but the Republicans will not do any thing either they support and like the cheap some times near slave labor and the undermine of wages of the America worker. Trump will do a little window dress and that is it and nothing will change. Barbara others and you forget or never got it power resides in Congress and if the Congress does not pass the legations nothing gets done and the president is left sitting pretty much on their thumbs. Willing to put money on that we will be talking about the same issue next Presidential election cycle. Also how ignorant are you to try and claim that the the immigration process isn’t broken. Barbara from nearly all corners of the political spectrum admit immigration process is broken the disagreement is centers around how to fix it.

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